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Learning to live in a post-American world

NPR | By Danielle Kurtzleben ,

Tinbete Ermyas, Christopher Harland-Dunaway

Published August 23, 2026 at 3:21 PM MDT

In a recent article for Foregin Affairs, Mark Leonard makes that argument that America's leading role in the world order is fading. He discusses his argument with NPR's Danielle Kurtzleben.

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Danielle Kurtzleben

Danielle Kurtzleben is a White House correspondent on NPR's Washington Desk. She appears regularly on the NPR Politics Podcast and other NPR shows.

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Tinbete Ermyas

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