It's 'Alchemy': Alan Zweibel Explains How He Helps 'Funny People Be Funnier'

Apr 11, 2020
Originally published on April 11, 2020 9:41 am

Billy Crystal has been friends with Alan Zweibel for more than 40 years, but he'll be blunt: "Alan was the worst stand-up comic," Crystal recalls of Zweibel's sets in the early 1970s. "He just looked panicked."

Even Zweibel admits that he was "dreadful" on stage. But his jokes were great. "They were smart, good, neurotic, Alan-based material," says Crystal.

Daring to do stand-up was a risk that paid off for Zweibel. One night, a young, longish haired Lorne Michaels was in the audience looking for talent for a new show that would eventually become Saturday Night Live. At the bar after one of his sets, Michaels told Zweibel he was no stand-up but he liked his material. Soon, Zweibel was one of SNL's original writers.

Zweibel recounts his partnerships in comedy writing in his new memoir Laugh Lines: My Life Helping Funny People Be Funnier. "Comedy writers learn early on that we have a high degree of anonymity," he writes — but for the high-profile comedians he's worked with, Zweibel is anything but anonymous.

In addition to his work on Saturday Night Live, Zweibel co-created the ground-breaking It's Garry Shandling's Show, he consulted on Larry David's Curb Your Enthusiasm, he helped Billy Crystal develop his acclaimed Broadway show 700 Sundays and, along with Dave Barry and Adam Mansbach, he wrote a book called A Field Guide to the Jewish People. Zweibel has helped shape, water and prune the vast garden that is American comedy.

I met Zweibel at the historic Friars Club, weeks before New York City was on lockdown due to the coronavirus pandemic. A stately, six-story townhouse with vaulted ceilings and ornate carvings, this monastery for jokesters was technically closed for repairs — but, as one of its most influential friars, Zweibel got us in.

He showed off the bar named for his buddy Billy Crystal, a violin that belonged to Jack Benny, and black and white photos of comedians going back decades — Zweibel talks about all of them as if they're family, with equal parts irreverence and awe.

Zweibel's own comedy career began in the summer of 1972, writing for tuxedo-wearing comics performing in the Catskills, earning $7 per joke. He was in his 20s, a kid of the adventurous '60s, and these Borscht Belt comics were, well, older.

Zweibel worked at a deli before landing a job as a writer at Saturday Night Live.
Courtesy Alan Zweibel

"That style of humor was very ... it was not challenging at all," Zweibel remembers. "It was all joke and punch line oriented. It was wife jokes. It was a mechanic saying to a guy 'You know, I couldn't fix your brakes, so I made your horn louder.' It was jokes like that."

Definitely not the time for Zweibel to quit his job at a Queens deli, let alone move out of his parents' house on Long Island.

Around the same time, Zweibel decided to try stand-up. It was at a Manhattan club called Catch a Rising Star where he met Crystal, who was also just getting started in comedy. Since they both lived on Long Island, they commuted to the city together. On the rides home they would listen to their sets, which they'd recorded on cassettes, and give each other feedback.

"It's not an easy thing when you're first starting out to be onstage and give the illusion that you're in control of yourself," Crystal recalls. And with Zweibel, "There was no illusion. He was never in control of himself."

But bombing on stage got Zweibel a job writing for SNL — so who's laughing now?

Zweibel wrote satire for "Weekend Update" with anchor Chevy Chase and contributed to such legendary sketches as John Belushi's Samurai deli. He was Gilda Radner's main writing partner, creating legendary characters such as the loudmouthed, gum-chewing, frizzy-haired, advice-giving Roseanne Roseannadanna, a regular on "Weekend Update."

One of Roseanne Roseannadanna's regular letter-writers, "Mr. Richard Feder," was named after Zweibel's brother-in-law. Zweibel says Radner got the idea for Roseanne Roseannadanna from the Shirley Ellis song, "The Name Game." "It went like, 'Johnny, Johnny, Bo Bonny, Banana Fanna, Fo Fonny,' " remembers Zweibel. "If you put in Roseanne, Roseanne, Rosanna, D'anna comes in there."

Zweibel was Gilda Radner's main writing partner on Saturday Night Live.
Courtesy Alan Zweibel

For Zweibel, it felt like more than a creative collaboration. "The Gilda partnership for me was magical," he says. "I was in love — I was hopelessly in love." But Radner was not interested in a romantic relationship. They remained friends right up until her death from ovarian cancer on in 1989.

Reflecting on his tenure at SNL, Zweibel writes of being deeply inspired by veteran comedy writer/producer Herb Sargent whose credits included the TV show That Was the Week That Was. Sargent was in his 50s at the time, and Zweibel remembers him as "the grown-up" of the writing staff. "His comedy had a conscience," Zweibel writes. "And he was mindful of its power to influence."

Sargent was the one who dubbed the cast the "Not Ready for Prime Time Players." Zweibel watched as that ragtag troupe went from relative obscurity to major stardom. "More success came with more trappings. Cabs became Town Cars. Rentals became co-ops. Cast members got their own assistants," he writes.

Back at the Friars Club, Zweibel is full of memories of witnessing major milestones in American comedy. He remembers the moment he and Garry Shandling wrote the lyrics to the theme song for It's The Garry Shandling's Show, a parody of TV sitcoms. They were riding an elevator together in their agent Bernie Brillstein's office building on Sunset Boulevard in Los Angeles. Zweibel says he asked Shandling, "What are you thinking?" and Shandling replied, "Why don't we do a theme song about the theme song?" Zweibel says that's how a great partnership works. "It took us the elevator ride to write that together. I could not have done it alone," he says.

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For Billy Crystal, Zweibel was the ideal partner when, in the early 2000s, he was conceiving a very personal, one-man show about his family called 700 Sundays. The two had been friends since 1974, and Crystal says it mattered that they both grew up in Jewish households and that he trusted Zweibel.

"We had listened to each other's stories," he says. "And I felt that that would be a great combination for me to be with someone who could write really well, edit really well and also could listen really well."

More recently, Crystal and Zweibel co-wrote Here Today, a not-yet-released movie starring Crystal and Tiffany Haddish, based on Zweibel's short story "The Prize."

Whether it's Gilda Radner, Billy Crystal or Dave Barry, for Alan Zweibel, there's nothing better than writing as a team. "The alchemy makes it something that neither of you could have done by yourselves," he says.

: 4/10/20

In a previous version of this story, the book edition box incorrectly credited Billy Crystal as a co-author of Laugh Lines. Crystal wrote the foreward for Alan Zweibel's book.

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Alan Zweibel has been inside the evolution of American comedy. While his name might not be as familiar as the people he's collaborated with - Billy Crystal, the late Gilda Radner, Rob Reiner, Dave Barry - Alan Zweibel dishes in his new memoir out next week called "Laugh Lines." NPR's Elizabeth Blair has this profile.

ELIZABETH BLAIR, BYLINE: Alan Zweibel helped Garry Shandling develop, write and produce his parody of sitcoms called "It's Garry Shandling's Show." Zweibel says they wrote the lyrics to the theme song in an elevator.

ALAN ZWEIBEL: I said, well, what do you think? And he said, well, why don't we do a theme song about the theme song? I said, what? Give me an example. And he starts to say, this is the theme to Garry's show, the theme to Garry's show. Garry called me up and asked if I could write his theme song. And I said, I'm almost halfway finished. How do you like it so far? How do you like the theme to Garry's show?

(SOUNDBITE OF SONG, "THIS IS THE THEME TO GARRY'S SHOW")

BILL LYNCH: (Singing) I'm almost halfway finished, how do you like it so far? How do you like the theme to Garry's show?

BLAIR: Alan Zweibel is a big, burly guy. His large head has been fodder for jokes, including his own. I met him in another era, in more ways than one. It was at the historic Friars Club in Manhattan in the weeks before the city was in lockdown.

ZWEIBEL: And is that rolling? Oh, good. OK. We're on radio. This is a beautiful six-story townhouse.

BLAIR: Built in the early 1900s with vaulted ceilings and ornate carvings in the woodwork, the Friars Club feels like royalty for jokesters.

ZWEIBEL: This is the Billy Crystal bar.

BLAIR: Black-and-white photos of comedians through the decades line the walls.

ZWEIBEL: OK. Well, Joey Adams was never funny, OK. But you got Sid Caesar, you got Red Buttons, you've got Milton Berle.

BLAIR: In another room, musical instruments in glass cases hang on the walls.

ZWEIBEL: Jack Benny's violin. How cool is that?

BLAIR: Alan Zweibel grew up on Long Island, the oldest of four kids. His father had a fine jewelry business. His mother was a homemaker. He figured out what he wanted to do when he was 12, watching "The Dick Van Dyke Show." His first jobs were writing $7 jokes for comedians who performed in the Catskills. Then he tried stand-up.

BILLY CRYSTAL: Alan was the worst stand-up comic, but his jokes were always really good.

BLAIR: Billy Crystal and Zweibel met at the club Catch A Rising Star in 1974. They'd commute late at night to Manhattan together and give each other feedback about their sets on the ride home. They've been friends ever since. Years later, Crystal asked Zweibel to help him with a one-man show about his family called "700 Sundays." Crystal says it mattered that they both grew up in Jewish households and that he trusted Zweibel.

CRYSTAL: We had listened to each other's stories, and I felt that that would be a great combination, for me to be with someone who could write really well, could edit really well and also could listen really well.

BLAIR: "700 Sundays" went on to win a Tony Award. It wasn't the first time a Zweibel partnership produced comedy gold. On "Saturday Night Live," he and the late Gilda Radner created legendary characters together.

(SOUNDBITE OF TV SHOW, "SATURDAY NIGHT LIVE)")

GILDA RADNER: (As Roseanne Roseannadanna) A Mr. Richard Feder from Fort Lee, N.J., writes in and says, Dear Roseanne Roseannadanna...

BLAIR: One of Roseanne Roseannadanna's regular letter writers, Mr. Richard Feder, was the name of Zweibel's brother-in-law. Zweibel says Radner got the idea for Roseanne Roseannadanna from a song.

ZWEIBEL: It went like Johnny, Johnny, bo bonny, banana fanna, fo fonny, fe fi fo fonny, Johnny. If you put in Roseanne, Roseanne Roseannadanna comes in there.

(SOUNDBITE OF TV SHOW, "SATURDAY NIGHT LIVE")

RADNER: (As Roseanne Roseannadanna) I know exactly what you're going through. 'Cause once, I, Roseanne Roseannadanna, quit smoking. And to get back in shape, I had to join one of those fancy-shmancy health clubs. You know the ones where it's real expensive to join, but it's worth it because you get to see a lot of people that you don't know naked.

ZWEIBEL: The Gilda partnership for me was magical. I was in love.

BLAIR: Hopelessly in love, says Zweibel, but Radner had a rule they would keep their relationship platonic. Years after "Saturday Night Live," Radner was diagnosed with ovarian cancer. By this time, Zweibel was working on "It's Garry Shandling's Show." When it looked like Radner's health was improving, she was a guest on the show.

(SOUNDBITE OF TV SHOW, "IT'S GARRY SHANDLING'S SHOW")

RADNER: I'm sorry Garry, I haven't been on television for a while.

GARRY SHANDLING: Oh that, yeah. Well, what was wrong?

RADNER: Oh, I had cancer. What did you have?

BLAIR: Whether it's Gilda Radner, Billy Crystal or Garry Shandling, for Zweibel, there's nothing better than writing as a team.

ZWEIBEL: You have a healthy respect for each other, but it's slightly different. So the alchemy makes it something that neither of you could have done by yourselves.

BLAIR: As the subtitle of his new memoir puts it, Alan Zweibel has spent 40 years trying to make funny people funnier.

Elizabeth Blair, NPR News.

(SOUNDBITE OF SONG, "THIS IS THE THEME TO GARRY'S SHOW")

LYNCH: (Singing) We're almost to the part of where I start to whistle then we'll watch "It's Garry Shandling's Show." Transcript provided by NPR, Copyright NPR.